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THE TORTURE PORN PHENOM 06/13/2007 at 03:04 PM

Guys:

Before anybody gets off a blast about one of the Tremor Bros. sitting on
a chainsaw or Acosta flamebroiling some guys nuts, let me offer a preemptive
rebuttal.

ONE: Both the ball roasting and the Tremor disembowelment are suggested.
(That goes for the other Acosta torture pieces. Nothing is overt)
You never see blowtorch-to-scrotum action, nor do you see the teeth of the
chainsaw chewing into Jeeves's ass crack (Wow, this post is REALLY CLASSY) and
that should be noted if for nothing more than its comparative restraint.

TWO: Combined, these scenes make up about seven seconds of screen time
in 'Smokin' Aces.' And it's man to man. There's not a single female presence
(something I find personally f*cking revolting, I know, it's prudish and prosaic
as sh*t, I don't care) in that movie, being slowly and excruciatingly humiliated
and tortured. And there isn't a whole film based around the exhibition and celebration
of that either.

Now I've never seen Hostel I or II. I met Eli Roth a few years ago and he was just a
good dude. I'm not going to sit here and assail another artist. Clearly, he does
what he does really well and you can't hate anybody's game. It's bulls*it. I will
never trash somebody, regardless of whatever artistic difference of opinion I
may have with them. There's a reason I haven't seen those films. To quote my
friend James Ellroy, when I took him to a Sacramento Kings game last year and
asked him how he liked it, his response? 'I'd rather be watching flies f*ck in Alabama.'

It's not that he found basketball so reprehensibe. It just wasn't his bag. That's
how I am with the whole torture film thing. I liked the first SAW. I thought it was clever
and the bad guy being in the room the whole time, then sitting up at the end, was
fantastic but I think it's gone from that to this overblown, carnage level, blood sodden
grand guignol aimed at the most base, depraved parts of the human psyche. I see these
ads for 'Captivity' and the wallowing in and fetishism of torture and I want to put my
fist through something solid. And I don't think there's some political overtones or
some Iraq/Abu Gharib allegories at work here. F*ck that, it's about titilation
and ticket sales.

Yeah, there's a place for everything in the world. Censorship is the refuge of chickensh*ts
and cowards and therefore not an option. I'm also not preaching or prostelatizing or
trying to point toward a better tomorrow or some nonsense.

I'm just wondering aloud if we could and should, do a whole helluva lot better.

JC

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  Posted by: ursus 06/13/2007 at 04:57 PM

If the scene(s) in question, ie. torture, etc. are supporting a greater story or character I can get behind it. But if the story is just an excuse to show rape and torture, well then I'm definitely NOT afraid to question artistic intention. Sorry. Same to the people paying to see it and perpetuating more of it.
Remember, in these days of American Idol and "Franchise" filmmaking, you get what you pay for. Over and over, and over...

What time are those Alabama flies gettn' it on?

-ursus-

  Posted by: Zach F 06/13/2007 at 05:46 PM

i agree with you 100% about the saw films, the first one was actually clever and original and now they've turned saw into an excuse to see how much gore they can throw at people, it's a shame

  Posted by: News Girl 06/13/2007 at 06:59 PM

Joe, I agree 110 percent. If you want to see blood and violence, pick up the local newspaper. That's what I do for a living. I'm a newspaper editor. In small town Alabama by the way. I work the police beat and I see this stuff for real. I can tell you when you see suicide scenes on TV, rarely are things the way they "really" are. Unless you've seen somebody up close with their brains not so intact anymore - you really don't know what it looks like. Real life isn't near as much fun as the movies. Ok. I vented. And as for our flies... any time and any place will do. We don't operate on much of a schedule here. We prefer everything laid back and spontaneous!
A big Bama hug to all.

  Posted by: News Girl 06/13/2007 at 07:07 PM

Ok. My best friend just "edited" my last post and said Ishould qualify my blood and violence remark since I really did love 'Smokin' Aces'. He said I was being a hypocrit. So here I qualify. Bad guys shooting up good guys and vice versa - toatlly acceptable. Tying man or woman to bed and violating them on screen is not creativity it's an excuse for it. Anybody can peel back fingernails with a pocket knife, it takes and artist to scare the snot out of you and never show how it's done.
There. I'm done.
And I thought the chainsaw thing was cool. Even poetic. Even though I just LOVED the Tremor Bros! And no crakcs about Alabama girls and their choice in men. Okay. Please

  Posted by: JOSH SANTOS 06/13/2007 at 07:12 PM

i couldn't agree more. i loved cabin fever and i think eli roth is a very talented director but the whole torture film isn't my thing. i hear he's doing stephen king's cell next and that i am looking forward to.

josh

  Posted by: JOSH SANTOS 06/13/2007 at 07:13 PM

i couldn't agree more. i loved cabin fever and i think eli roth is a very talented director but the whole torture film genre isn't my thing. i hear he's doing stephen king's cell next and that i am looking forward to.

josh

  Posted by: JOSH SANTOS 06/13/2007 at 07:15 PM

i couldn't agree more. i loved cabin fever and i think eli roth is a very talented director but the whole torture film isn't my thing. i hear he's doing stephen king's cell next and that i am looking forward to.

josh

  Posted by: JeffreyWright 06/13/2007 at 07:49 PM

Joe - honestly, I think you should shoot higher. Of course, this has no bearing on Aces 2, but look at Hostel 2's take at the box office. They made enough on the first one and the second will make back its budget, but little more, and most call it a bomb.

I know Hollywood could give a sh#t about originality and such, but there's just so much creativity out there to grab and put forward, why not do it, especially when Aces 2 will be DVD only release.

I don't think swinging for the fences when it comes to audience involvement means you have to go over the top in content... keep it real!

Just my opinion though.

JW

  Posted by: tori 06/13/2007 at 08:37 PM

A couple weeks ago I mentioned the prequel being about the Tremors and my good friend and movie fanatic said "Oh it's going to be raunchy" and then compared it to the unrated version of Cabin Fever. I think people may expect it to be raunchy, just because the Tremor bros. were sadistic in the first one, but I don't think it necessarily needs to be as raunchy as the Saws or the Hostels or the Rob Zombie films or whatever. I do believe it will be a great movie however you portray everything in it though.

By the way, can you tell us what southern state the Tremor bros. are born and raised in?

  Posted by: RTA 06/13/2007 at 09:41 PM

There has always been pulp...in books, in film, maybe even some TV. There has always been titillation, there has always been exploitation. That being said, these were niche categories that played to (as you said Joe) our base level emotions and taken as a guilty pleasure, like say, fast food...but now, because of its "quick fix" nature (e.g. fast and cheap) it's moved to the mainstream...sort of like the fast food. KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, etc, were the exception for dinner, now it's the "quick fix" to throw in front of the kids as they watch TV so the parents can "wind down"...DVD players in the car for the "quick fix" to get the kids to shut up, instead of talking with them...XBox, MySpace, YouTube...the "quick fix" instead of going outside and playing and actually making friends who breathe the same air...and now, Hostel III, IV, V, Saw 7, Razorblade Across the Eye 9...are the "quick fix" to actually "feel" something because as Paul Haggis said in Crash, "I think we miss that touch so much, that we crash into each other, just so we can feel something."

And so, pushed harder and harder to get that "original high" from all those "quick fixes" pushes the culture to want faster/cheaper food, more dissonant discourse on reality TV, and more purulent motion pictures.

Like "News Girl" said, anybody can peel back a fingernail...and so I feel it comes down to lazy storytelling, which encourages lazy story-watching...give it to me now without me having to think...the "quick fix".

-RTA

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