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LIONS FOR LAMBS 11/11/2007 at 10:36 AM


Guys:

This one is a bit of blather but bear with.

I'll preface this post by stating that my younger brother wrote and produced the film
I'm referencing below and while you might think a rigid, nepotistic bias would be all but built-in,
it's not. I'm judging the movie on its own merits and sharing what it meant to me and what
my opinions are about its broader context.

It needn't be worth two sh*ts to you...but here goes:

I'm certainly no stranger to the vicious critical drubbing but what's happening with 'Lions
For Lambs' is just f*cking shameful, so don't be fooled. This is a film out to eviscerate
the media's softball approach on geopolitics and gunboat diplomacy and hold them
accountable for their reportage post 9/11 and pre-Iraq when they were used like a
lathe to carve out and smooth over Bush's invasion plan and turn war propaganda into
popular public sentiment.

To see this film as liberal tubthumping is to miss the point by miles because it's much
smarter and more subversive than that. Some of the most impressive arguments made
in the movie come from what some might consider the film's conservative core; Senator
Jasper Irving, masterfully portrayed by Cruise. This guy's got the same god-fearing fire
in his eyes and neo-evangelical tone that had everybody (myself included) stomping the
bleachers and demanding heads post 9/11. If the critical establishment could look beyond
their own self-loathing liberal woes and their need to lambaste and leave behind like
roadkill anything that even resembles objectivity, then they might be able to recognize
such salient counterpoints. But they're so quick to brandish hot irons and just start burning
labels, that they wind up setting fire to the whole f*cking affair. And from the rubble? What?
'Liberal posturing...blah, blah, blah...' and whatever lessons the film might have afforded
remain unlearned.

I'm not saying you even have to LIKE the film, or what it has to say. But don't imply it's not an
important piece of work and don't disregard its ultimate goal, which is to get people THINKING.
Plain and simple. So that the spin that wound up being the most pervasive, unwanted element of
media coverage the past six years, nevers takes root again. We bought into a bunch of bulls*it
wholesale and helped spread it like brush fire. We allowed them to appropriate something
as sacrosanct as 'Patriotism' and use it like a f*cking truncheon on anybody who didn't fall into
formation: To keelhaul moral recititude and decency and replace it with simplistic, infantile
'Us vs. Them' proselytizing. Nobody gets a pass (myself included) and in the interest of
circumspection, let's all take the same look in the mirror and repeat the mantra 'Never again...'

What the f*ck is wrong with that? Is it finger pointing that's putting people off? Tough sh*t!
The film's pointing the exact same finger at itself! That's what's getting lost in the tide of
'liberal' backlash. Bottom line, the media became little more than a mouthpiece for the
administration and everybody knows that. Clearly, judging by some of the reviews, they don't
want to be reminded.

I think 'Lions For Lambs' message is clutter-free and quite clear. It asks that we mobilize behind the
things we believe in and not just shrug it off as 'somebody else's problem.'

Minus attention and action, there exists only apathy.

So there's that rant. Here's the second part:

Not every f*cking movie should have to include robots, tits, animated talking tea-kettles,
blade kicking or Ben Stiller to be commercially viable. And not every audience should be
pandered to as if it had the cumulative attention span of a gnat on crack. I've picked up
tremendous insights from films that were, at first blush, difficult to sit through.

But if we don't allow anything outside of 'pure entertainment' to permeate our viewing process occasionally then we're doomed to the life of some dull, doltish, dim-witted motherf*ckers.

You may hate 'Lions For Lambs' but goddamit, SO WHAT. It's still well worth your two hours.
And I think it's mandatory viewing for forward thinkers the world over. Regardless of your
feelings about the film itself, it will still spark copious conversation, debate, deep thought
and the like...

Can there be a downside to that?

I don't think so...

...strike that. I know there's not.


JC


Comments
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  Posted by: Matt 11/12/2007 at 03:49 PM

I have planned on seeing it since the first time I saw the trailer a few months back. I couldn't careless about the reviews. Most of those critics are idiots that always find a way to mention Cruise's personal life. Fuck that. Any movie that sparks debate is worth the two hours.

  Posted by: Matt 11/12/2007 at 04:42 PM

Peter,

So, a movie that is talky talky can't work? That seems to be your message. So, Twelve Angry Men, no good? I'm not debating the quality of Lambs cause I haven't seen it. But a talky talky movie can be successful.
Also, American Gangster is doing so well because of constant promotion and the casting of two movie stars. It is a great movie, but American audiences have shown time and time again that quality is not a prerequisite for them paying their ten bucks.
Zodiac was just as good, according to many, as American Gangster. Great reviews, great story, great actors. But no real proven movie stars, and it didn't do much box office.
If Lambs isn't a good flick it has nothing to do with it's message, or it's format, or it's dialogue versus action ratio.

  Posted by: Matt 11/12/2007 at 04:43 PM

Where did that other comment go? Now I look like a crazy person.
Peter did exist, really he did.

  Posted by: JeffreyWright 11/12/2007 at 04:53 PM

Listen - I don't think anyone is going to tell Joe something he doesn't ALREADY know. Come on - he's not in Hollywood because he's a f.ckin' idiot!

Joe knows I said a while back that this film would tank. If anyone else recalls, "I hope they change that trailer!" or "It's going to be tough to sell a film with three actors pushing or already over the hill on a subject matter we could turn to CNN to get."

And, anyone trolling around here should also know that a film's quality stretches far beyond its box office take. God forbid anyone ever mix those two up! Is it surprising that Cruise chose this film to open his UA "stance" - in my opinion - YES. But, he's the multi-millionaire Hollywood star, so that's his call.

As someone who's been accused of "preachy screenwriting" I'll purposely not take sides. (I guess you know who's side I'd end up taking!)

Film is just that - film. It's whoever is standing behind the camera or sitting in front of the page that creates what it becomes and therefore, it should retain its subjectivity. I don't like labels - a film should be this or should be that or can't be something like this... doesn't really make sense to me. It is what it is to whomever is creating it.

Peter - I get where you're going, but the problem with that is if you're argument held true then ALL films would be asked NOT to challenge an audience. I disagree with that... vehemently.

At the end of the day, judged as GOOD or BAD or INDIFFERENT or PREACHY or WHAT-THE-F.CK-EVER it would come down to this for me... I'd rather be sitting there having written Lions for Lambs opening at less than $10 million than to have written the Academy Award masterpiece The Game Plan, starring "The Rock" sitting at $93 million, but I'm sure Peter that film had 3 dimensional characters and showed its message (I guess Bee Movie does that too).

Peace.

JW

  Posted by: Kenny 11/12/2007 at 05:01 PM

Thanks, Joe.

This is why I come back to SJC -- intelligent thought crossed with the kind of righteous motherfucking anger that is inevitable in any discussion of the modern political climate. When our only options are the modern, over-sleek buffonery of CNN or the insane misdirected scream-rants of Fox News, you offer a dose of rationality and reality.

  Posted by: muzzleflash 11/12/2007 at 05:13 PM

God forbid audiences would actually want to THINK when they go watch a movie. I think we see time and again that the general public likes to and asks for movies that don't make them think. TV? Same. You know, if an administration pulled what it did today back in say, the 60s, there would be riots and demonstrations everywhere; real torches and pitchforks stuff in front of the White House. Where did that spirit go?

  Posted by: Joe C. 11/12/2007 at 05:17 PM

Matt:

You're not crazy...he was here. 'Was' being the operative word.

  Posted by: SM 11/12/2007 at 05:25 PM

I have been waiting for Mr. Carnahan to say something about Lions for Lambs.

In my opinion it is a the most important movie to come out this year.

The best stuff I have seen so far this year has been Breach, Zodiac, Black Snake Moan, I Think I Love My Wife, Grindhouse, Away From Her, Knocked Up, Talk to Me, The Simpsons Movie, The Bourne Ultimatum, Superbad, The Assasination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, Into the Wild, The Kingdom, The Darjeeling Limited, No Country for Old Men, and I'm Not There.

Lions for Lambs is the filet. I think Zodiac, Knocked Up, Jesse James, Darjeeling, and I'm Not There are comprable in terms of quality. But Lions for Lambs is special. That is saying something in a year like this.

I think Lions for Lambs should be required viewing in high schools and colleges across the country much the way some literature is.

The critics missed the boat badly on this and ultimately it is they who will pay when the Globes and the Academy reward this film. The legacy of a movie goes far beyond what critics say and the opening weekend.

Lions for Lambs is a wonder of a movie. Three characters that are so deep it astonishes me when they are referred to as one note. A story layered so intelligently and gracefully. The end of the film, much like the rest of it is open to interpretation. Some audiences have trouble with that. I did not.

They count on our empathy and our pride. The whole thing is so great, and so now, and so special I just can't believe what is happening to the movie.

Also, somebody could have done this movie a big favor by making it pg-13. There weren't any images that took the movie beyond where Live Free or Die Hard went and yet it received an R rating. I think this has to do with people wanting to keep kids from seeing something like this that would inspire them to think for themselves, analyze their own decisions and choices and make them. This is a movie about right and wrong and the weight of it. This is a movie about our whole culture, our whole country, our whole world. It is about our fears, our beliefs, and our desire. It is about being young and old, man and woman, powerful and not, but above all human. It is about our responsibility and the power of that responsibility. It is about the corruption of messages at the same time beautifully sending out its own messages. Lions for Lambs is about decisions. With the ending in mind it is almost not surprising that is had been received like it has.

Lions for Lambs is like watching CNN, reading a great novel, watching a great play, and having an epiphany all at the same time. It is a crying shame that critics like Ebert toss out perfect ratings for movies like Rendition and let a movie like Lions for Lambs struggle.

This movie is every bit the statement on war that Apocalypse Now, Thin Red Line, and All Quiet on the Western Front were before it.

On a last note, I am a Cohen brothers admirer big time for a long time. I saw the new flick on Friday night at a packed art house. On Saturday I saw Lions for Lambs at an almost empty mall theater. The last thing I ever expected was that I would think Lions for Lambs was better than No Country for Old Men. I did. Lions for Lambs made me think more. Lions for Lambs made me believe more. Lands for Lambs made me feel more alive.

A man who taught me about acting used to tell me that the job of the people involved in performing was to put on a show that leaves the audience walking two blocks in the wrong direction when it's over. By that measure Lions for Lambs is a resounding success.

Lions for Lambs is America. It just happens to be a time when Americans are afraid of themselves and what it is we may or may not have become.

If you read this and got to the end, take a little more time if you haven't already and go buy a ticket to see Lions for Lambs. Enjoy the show.

  Posted by: FriendlyFriend 11/12/2007 at 05:42 PM

Firstly, we have been/are being governed by a criminal organization/administration.

As for the film, the masses are tired of "Iraq" and all that it implies. How many war-related pictures have come and gone with very little reception? From my recollection, a large number of them.

JW: "It's going to be tough to sell a film with three actors pushing or already over the hill on a subject matter we could turn to CNN to get."

I agree. Same case for "The Kingdom" -- and I follow the work of Peter Berg. Despite that fact, I'll support it at the rental counter.

  Posted by: Justin 11/12/2007 at 06:18 PM

Seeing Lambs on Thursday, have been dying to see it since the year began and even though the reviews haven't been good I'm looking foward to it.

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